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Re: Draft Coverage

Post by Titanpride on Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:54 pm

With the exception of the Hawkins pick, one word describes the Titans' draft... " Reach ". It's clear they're drafting speed, but speed doesn't always mean you can play at the NFL level. I've questioned the Titans' scouting department over the last couple of years and will continue to. The Johnson pick was as frustrating to watch as the Henry pick last year in the second.

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Post by duckhead13 on Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:58 pm

I'm not sure what everyone is expecting from the Titans. This has never been nor will ever be a passing team to the extent they spread the field with well known receivers and throw the ball down the field. Fisher is very conservative. Maybe I'm wrong but I can't name one WR present nor past that was a big name player in the NFL. This offense comprises a 3 to 4 yard rush per carry, a few throws to the TE and maybe a play down the field to keep the defense honest and if we're lucky Vince will take off down the field. This just seems the pattern for me since I've been watching the Titans.

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blake out of tcu

Post by ewoo on Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:38 pm

Take blake out of tcu for the 7th round pick to make the draft

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Post by dlrams on Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:50 pm

So much for getting VY some help at WR. I hope that the Titans have a plan before the season starts. If I am VY , I am a bit worried. I am very disappointed with the draft picks of this year.

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Re: Draft Coverage

Post by brianmaxwell on Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:12 pm

The response I am getting across the board from family, friends and other fans is that this is the worst draft since the team came to Nashville.


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Re: Draft Coverage

Post by brianmaxwell on Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:23 pm

D+ on this draft. More details in my report this week.

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Post by jgozzard80 on Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:30 pm

The bad part is that we traded up to get the guy nobody knows about at 103. That puts a lot of pressure on him and the front office to produce and do it early! Also, about a previous comment, Vince Young needs to worry about himself. Everybody acts like Young is this superstar quarterback that has all this talent that he can't use because he doesn't have anybody to throw the ball to. Yes, we don't have a star receiver, but we can't even sustain an offensive drive. There are bigger issues. Vince Young is a great athlete with a desire to win, but he has a tremendous amount of growing and learning to do. When Young learns to make better decisions, control what is going on in the huddle, read defenses, and audible at the line, then the Titans will improve as an offense. The receivers are going to make catches.

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Post by jgozzard80 on Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:31 pm

Brian I have to agree with a D, D+

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Post by jgozzard80 on Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:35 pm

Did you forget about Mason? He didn't get a lot of publicity, but he has been one of the most consistent recievers in the league of the last 7 years. Look up his stats. Especially receptions.

If you can't pass the ball downfield in the NFL you will not win championships-pure and simple.

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Re: Draft Coverage

Post by Titanpride on Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:56 pm

The frustrating thing about drafting Johnson in the first round was we used our first round pick on a third down back... I cant understand the value there. If your using your firstround pick on a running back, he needs to be a everydown back. What makes it worst... Johnson was the Titans' third choice, behind felix Jones and Mendenhall... they should have traded out of the first round. White in the second, Henry in the second and Johnson in the first... I feel like Detroit with there Wide-receiver in the first every year because they couldn't get it right.

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Re: Draft Coverage

Post by Majndat on Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:35 am

What bothers me more than them drastically reaching in the past 2 drafts is that they have the audacity to scoff and dismiss the overwhelming criticism from EVERYONE...fans, draft experts (former scouts, GM's, star NFL players, etc). Fine dismiss criticism...WHEN YOU HAVE A TRACK RECORD THAT BACKS UP YOUR POSITION!!!
The facts and statistics clearly reveal that you have none! This team has had a glaring need for at least one play-making WR for years and years! And true to form, they just go into denial-mode. Whether a 1st Rd WR is a risky prospect or not...IT'S FAR MORE RISKY TO EXPECT TO FIND ONE IN THE LATER ROUNDS!!! Want proof? Look at your own track record, again.
Good grief, Fisher! When will you ever wake up and treat this position with the urgency it so desperately needs. Your approach hasn't paid off a single time in your entire tenure!!! And yet you poke fun at those "Outside the staff" for pointing this out. The cold hard, ruthless facts show that, in reality, everybody get's it...but you. Having an optimistic view of your current roster isn't taking stern measures to rectify a LONG-STANDING weakness. Who doesn't want value...but sometimes, you have to pay the piper to get what you need. The Titans staff has stubbornly refused to do so, and it has cost us dearly.

1) You have the most talented player remaining on the board drift right up under your nose (R. Mendenhall...who should have been gone at 15)...a true 3-down feature back (with 4.4 speed)...would've made L.White a nice trading prospect...and would've taken the Titans running game to a whole 'nother level (power, speed, vision, and elusive). What do you do? SIT ON YOUR HANDS!!!You could've easily called Jerry Jones and offered him the 4th RD pick he gave us for Pacman, and if necessary, the 6th rd he would owe us next year...for the 22nd pick. Getting Mendenhall was well worth a 4th RD pick to move up 2 spots!!! Then you'd have a TRUE franchise RB to go with a Franchise QB (VY). Also, you don't have to worry about L. White's weight problem and can use him as a valuable trading piece to shore up or upgrade other positions of need...like WR! How novel?

As for getting a speed guy, Mendenhall gives you explosive speed at 4.4, so no need for a "change of pace" guy!!! You could have gotten your "Speed Guy" in Dexter Jackson later in the draft as both a WR and kick/punt return specialist. If Chris Henry pans out, there you have two RB's with both size and speed...a luxury few if any teams have. If Mendenhall doesn't drift so close to us at 24, I'm with you on Chris Johnson. I doubt he would be around much longer afterward. But Mendenhall is everything you want in a RB, and he proved himself at the highest level in college...unlike Chris Henry.

2)OK...so, we lost a golden opportunity to get Mendenhall and the franchise RB we have been chasing after since Eddie George...Chris Johnson helped make up for that to some degree...although, it's as a 3rd down back, when you could have easily moved to get an EVERY down back. Nevertheless, letting other teams in front of us make a run on WR's in the 2nd Rd, without us at least moving up a few spots to get Sweed is just downright inexcusable...especially when you waste a 5th on a relatively unheard-of DE later in the 4th. I noticed that Fisher stated "other teams called your AFTERWARD" and said they were about to pick him....Yeah, R-I-G-H-T!!! Sure they were. Razz Sweed will be a No.1 WR for the Steelers within 2-3yrs, just you watch.
Is it because you are afraid of paying the going rate for a top tier WR? A number of teams have been willing and it seems to work out for them. Honestly, where would the Patriots have been last year without Moss, or the Giants without Burress? Neither team makes it to the Superbowl without their game-changing contributions.

Titans get a D grade when you look at what they passed up in relation to what they got. Chris Johnson was a B+, Stevens a B- (since they didn't make any previous trades they could have cheaply moved up in the 3rd to get Brad Cottam who is almost 6'8" and runs a 4.63 at TE...an excellent blocking TE with great hands and gives the Titans what they desperately need...another EXTREMELY TALL red-zone weapon).
Regardless of all of this, the mere fact that, once again, they waited until the second day to address such a desparate need shows you how inept this staff really is...or maybe they are just too cheap and afraid to pay a top WR what they are worth. Albert Haynesworth is worth 2 DL and they are too cheap to pay him what he's OBVIOUSLY worth. I haven't seen a more dominating DL than he is and for them to screw around and risk losing him speaks volumes about this bunch.

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After the Draft

Post by titans66pens on Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:06 am

I saw Fisher's comments about how people should judge a draft 4 years later. I agree you cannot tell how good of a pick it is until they actually play a game in the NFL, but if this team takes a step backwards this year and misses the playoffs Jeff Fisher and staff will not be around that long.

As for Fisher being positive after the draft...what team isn't going to be positive about thier own picks. Like he is going to come on after the draft and say, "Our draft was horrible and we are not confident in our picks this year."

I hope I and what seems like the rest of the world is wrong about the Titans picks, but I highly doubt we are. I guess like Fisher said, we will have to wait until four years from now to judge this draft. The question is, will he still be here?

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Re: Draft Coverage

Post by Titanpride on Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:05 pm

I really do like the Johnson pick... just not in the first round. Every year we try to get the blockbuster hidden gem from some unknown small school, throw them all against a wall and see what sticks. We're not aggresive in the daft... instead of going to get a player that we want, we sit back and take whats left. We need to get rid of the " Quantity " instead of " Qualitiy " mindset with a roster full of second tier, average, mid-level players. That being said... I do like how the Titans' go about FA and agree thats how it should be done, but if your not going to be big players in FA, you have to be aggresive in the draft.

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Re: Draft Coverage

Post by OldTitanFan on Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:13 am

brianmaxwell wrote:D+ on this draft. More details in my report this week.


BMax, you're being nice, I give it a D-!! With the number of wideouts in the 2nd round, YOU WAIT UNTIL THE 4TH ROUND??!! I'm shocked that Hawkins was still around then, I remember when he helped torch the Tennessee Vols when they played Cal. The Titans got lucky on that pick, but I'd like to ask the organization this one question: We know that your superior knowledge of football supercedes ours, and "FAN" is short for "FANATIC", but when you make statements like Heimerdinger did about the draft picks fitting the Titans' scheme, WHY DOES THE ORGANIZATION TREAT THEIR FANS LIKE THEY'RE STUPID?!
The NFL is a league based on the old Janet Jackson song, "What Have You Done For Me Lately", and developing players for the future IS NOT going to help Vince Young NOW!! I understand that maybe Heimerdinger may want to limit the number of throws that VY makes by running power football, but he STILL needs to learn to use more of his brain & arm, or else he's going to end up being another Steve McNair waiting to happen when better defenses attack him! The good Ds are going to put 8 in the box, and DARE him to throw the ball! IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, AND FANS HAVE A DAMN GOOD REASON TO BE CONCERNED!

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Draft Grade

Post by titans124 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:18 pm

I think the main issue most folks have is that they think a WR in this draft would solve all of the Titans problems. None of the WR in this draft would have made a hill of beans difference for the 2008 team.

Have any of you guys actually seen any of these picks in person? Seen them play? Seen them even run? I doubt Mel Kiper even has seen most of these guys play. Watching on TV isn't even that good of indication. Washburn doesn't appear to be a sucker on talent.

1) Titans don't need another #2 receiver. Looks like there were not any #1 receivers in this draft. If there was, why were zero picked in 1st round. The best indication of value on WR's this year is that the teams that have to pay 1st round money didn't think any were worth 1st round money.
2) We needed DL help. Does anyone remember how terrible we were in run defense with Albert out. (Laboy and Odom were terrible against the run) If one of these guys hits we did ok there.
3) We need TE blocking for Fisher Ball.
4) LB and CB depth make sense.
5) getting someone with the speed of Johnson is a great thing. Dinger will get him involved and some.


Doesn't look like a homerun of a draft by any means but it was not as bad as everyone thinks...just because we didn't get a WR in an earlier round.

Any of you folks want to sell me your tickets or psl's just ask...I'll take them off of your whiny butts.

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