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First Round Wide Receiver Stat

Post by Jonathan Hutton on Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:17 pm

After research...thinking about comments around my office this morning...

Taking into consideration it is too to judge last year's crop of receivers drafted in the first round, a total of 41 receivers were drafted in the first round from 1997-2006.

Only 20 of the 41 wideouts drafted have become regular starters for their teams.

Only 8 of those 20 regular starters became what most would consider NFL stars.

The list of 8 includes: Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Plaxico Burress, Reggie Wayne, Javon Walker, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald and Braylon Edwards.

Five of those eight receivers were selected within the Top 8 picks in their respective drafts.

Only Reggie Wayne was available after pick #21, as he went 30th overall in 2001.

The Titans obviously drafted #24 overall on Saturday.

The odds of finding a starting wide out at #24 are less than 50%; the odds of finding a star wide receiver at #24? Much less.

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Re: First Round Wide Receiver Stat

Post by Titanpride on Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:04 pm

I'm a firm believer that you should never draft a wide-receiver in the first round... the bust percentage is to high at that position. Draft them in the mid-to-late rounds and let your position coach develope them into solid staters, so I like the Hawkins pick. That being said... I also believe if you're going to draft a running back in the first round, it has to be a everydown back not a 3rd down back or a situational back. I'm not going to give this draft a grade because it holds no merit to grade a draft class before they take the field at the NFL level, but there were a lot of reaches this year by the Titans'.


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Re: First Round Wide Receiver Stat

Post by brianmaxwell on Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:26 pm

I totally agree with not taking a receiver in the first round. Jonathan Hutton's stats do not lie.

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Re: First Round Wide Receiver Stat

Post by Majndat on Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:04 pm

That's just stupid! What ignorant comments....NEVER TAKE A RECEIVER IN THE FIRST ROUND? Oh, really, Einstein? How well has that worked for us?!!!!
Keving Dyson, whom we took in the1st, was the only receiver we have had in a decade that remotely resembled a true No.1 WR. And no, Derrick Mason was not a No.1 type WR by any stretch of the imagination.
You are forgetting Gonzalez, who the Colts selected in the first round last year...major contributor. Also Dewayne Bowe and Steve Smith...all 1st day guys that we passed on!!! Calvin Johnson got alot of playing time last year with the Lions as well.
Conversely, having a desperate need for a playmaking WR that gives Vince something to work with...we sat on our hands and waited to take another project in the 3rd (Paul Williams). Again...braniacs, how has that worked for us?!!!
It's far risker TO NOT EVEN TRY to get the best available wideouts early, WR's that have proven themselves at the college level. Go back to your statistics, genius, and look at the top 10 WR's in the NFL this past year and tell me what THE PERCENTAGES (since you like them so much) are of WR's taken in the 3rd-7thRds.
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it wise guys!!!

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Re: First Round Wide Receiver Stat

Post by Titanpride on Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:50 pm

Majndat wrote:That's just stupid! What ignorant comments....NEVER TAKE A RECEIVER IN THE FIRST ROUND? Oh, really, Einstein? How well has that worked for us?!!!!
Ok Goofy ! you apparently haven't been a Titans' fan for long, and don't know the logistics of the draft... the fact that you said Kevin Dyson was a legit number 1 proves it... your a funny little kid, now get off your dads computer and let the grown-up's talk !

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Post by jgozzard80 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:32 pm

The bottom line is that 50% is a pretty good chance if you look at all the players selected by a team in a draft compared to which ones actually pan out. When you have been in search for a #1 guy for years, and you wait to draft a WR in the 4th round (and just 1 at that), your not putting in a lot of effort. There have been several free agent WRs that we should have aggressively gone after over the last couple years and we have failed to upgrade.

Even though I think we need a #1, look back at when Volek started for us. He wasn't great, but he would throw for 300 yards and 3 tds frequently. He had 10 td passes to Bennett alone. And Bennett dropped balls. Where were our receiver woes then? McNair did the same thing. I think the #1 reason for our lack of offensive production comes from our bottom of the NFL QB--which he is at least for now. The 25 yard run looks flashy but doesn't do much for the team when that is all you can do.

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Re: First Round Wide Receiver Stat

Post by Titanpride on Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:58 pm

We've gone after our fair share of FA receivers.. Slaughter, Davis, Pickens, Thigpen, Givens to name a few and they haven't worked out. We've also addressed the receiver position in the off-season... re-signing Gage to a long term deal, picking up McCareins ( who was very productive for us when we drafted him in the later rounds ), we acquired M. Williams ( former number 1 pick ), followed up by drafting Hawkins... who had a great senior bowl and created value in the slot we drafted him in. Add in the fact we're getting back B.Jones this year from injury and R. Williams was very productive. We run a two tight-end set offense with a run-to-pass ratio of approximately 3 to 1... and lets face it, we shouldn't have to draft receivers to make Young look like a prow-bowl quaterback... we should have Young make our receivers look like pro-bowl receivers, thats whats expected when you draft a QB with the third over all pick in the first round who is in his third year. What will drafting Johnson in the first round over a receiver do for Young ?... open up the secondary.

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Re: First Round Wide Receiver Stat

Post by brianmaxwell on Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:36 pm

We will run the ball 60% of the time and the combo of Crumpler and Scaife will be our leading receivers. Chris Johnson may catch a few balls out of the backfield and surprise us all too. Noone will really know if these guys can play for a few years and not many rookies make an instant impact on their team. For every great pick there is a bust. The only thing you can really look at is the numbers and once again I will say that Jonathan Hutton's numbers don't lie.

Ask Steve Smith and David Tyree if you can can get a decent receiver in the later rounds.

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Re: First Round Wide Receiver Stat

Post by Titanpride on Thu May 01, 2008 1:18 am

The more I study, evaluate and review this draft... the more I like it. I still think the Johnson pick was a bit of a reach, but I like the player we're getting. Johnson is going to be more beneficial for Young than a first round receiver would have been. Another player I can see helping in the passing game, and understand why they went after him was Craig Stevens. Stevens will bring a dominate blocking TE for both the running and pass game.

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Re: First Round Wide Receiver Stat

Post by Majndat on Thu May 01, 2008 3:15 am

Titanpride wrote:
Majndat wrote:That's just stupid! What ignorant comments....NEVER TAKE A RECEIVER IN THE FIRST ROUND? Oh, really, Einstein? How well has that worked for us?!!!!
Ok Goofy ! you apparently haven't been a Titans' fan for long, and don't know the logistics of the draft... the fact that you said Kevin Dyson was a legit number 1 proves it... your a funny little kid, now get off your dads computer and let the grown-up's talk !
Sure thing Numbnuts...at 39yrs of age, 6'2" 260lbs, I doubt you would tell me that in person.
Go back and read what I said...Kevin Dyson was the CLOSEST thing to a No.1 WR...catch that...like the rest of the Titans receivers...guess not.
You dodged the question about the top 10 WR's in the league like a real pro. Since you can't or won't answer that, get somewhere and let the real adults talk.

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Re: First Round Wide Receiver Stat

Post by brianmaxwell on Thu May 01, 2008 10:54 am

I don't see how Mason was not a #1 receiver.

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Re: First Round Wide Receiver Stat

Post by Titanpride on Thu May 01, 2008 11:42 am

39 years old and you're coming on here acting like a idiot... classic ! and no, Dyson wasn't the closest thing to a number one, Mason was... know your roll Goofy, 6'2 260 doesn't impress me. You keep saying " look at the top 10 WR's in the NFL this past year "... your not understanding the concept of this thread or comprehending the logistics of the draft... quit while your ahead, your embarrassing yourself.

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Re: First Round Wide Receiver Stat

Post by brianmaxwell on Thu May 01, 2008 2:14 pm

First Round Selections from 1995 to 2005 (Can't really rate a player taken in 2006, 2007 or 2008 so I won't)

Solid #1 Receivers - Larry Fitzgerald(#3), Andre Johnson(#3), Reggie Wayne(#30), Plaxico Burress(#8), Torry Holt(#6),
Marvin Harrison(#19),
Randy Moss(#21) *really should be on the bust list because of his attitude but I'll put him here*

#2 or #3 Receivers - Roy Williams(#7), Reggie Williams(#9), Lee Evans(#13), Dante Stallworth(#13), Ashley Lelie(#19),
Rod Gardner(#15), Santana Moss(#16), Kevin Dyson(#16), Ike Hilliard(#7), Keyshawn Johnson(#1),
Terry Glenn(#7), Eric Moulds(#24), Michael Westbrook(#4), Joey Galloway(#8),

TOTAL BUSTS!!!!!! - Troy Williamson(#7), Mike Williams(#10), Matt Jones(#21), Marc Clayton(#22), Roddy White(#27),
Michael Clayton(#15), Michael Jenkins(#29), Rashaun Woods(#31), Charles Rogers(#2), Bryant Johnson(#17),
David Terell(#8), Koren Robinson(#9), Freddie Mitchell(#25), Peter Warrick(#4), Travis Taylor(#10),
Sylvester Morris(#21), R. Jay Soward(#29), David Boston(#8), Troy Edwards(#13), Marcus Nash(#30),
Yatil Green(#15), Reidel Anthony(#16), Rae Carruth(#27), Eddie Kennison(

These are all my opinion of course but you can't even consider another guy to put as a #1. So that is 7 for #1 receivers, 14 for #2 or #3 receivers and 24 complete busts. One could also consider the 14 #2 or #3 as busts because they were first round selections.

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Re: First Round Wide Receiver Stat

Post by Titanpride on Thu May 01, 2008 2:38 pm

I would consider Dyson a bust.

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Re: First Round Wide Receiver Stat

Post by brianmaxwell on Thu May 01, 2008 4:33 pm

I am sort of a homer when you talk Kevin Dyson but it is true that many on the #2 or #3 list could be considered busts because of their first round status.

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